and romney says. >> any great stories from '96 debate prep with clinton? >> do i have any great stories? i think debrat prep is like vegas. what happens there stays there. sorry. >> jonathan, i have to ask you. there was a famous story. the dole people thought they had this great trick they were going to pull on you guys, that first debate in 1996 where clinton had fired the white house travel logs in 1993 and emerged this big scandal. >> i was there for that, too. >> what did the dole people try to do to you guys to throw clinton off his game? >> you're not supposed to do this on live tv, but i do not remember. >> they put the guy in the front row who had run the white house travel office at the debate because they thought clinton was going to look at him and it was going to knock him off his game and stride. of course, the reality was clinton didn't know what the guy looked like. >> you're right. one thing clinton is so good at is the audience. it doesn't matter who is out there and no matter how hostile it appears to them. whoever is out there, your job is to win them over and ask them.